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To:Brian Mclaren, Doug Pagitt, Tony Jones, Rob Bell, Erwin McManus, Marcus Borg, Phyllis Tickle, Richard Foster, Julie Clawson, Dan Kimball, Peter Rollings, Jurgen Moltmann, Leonard Sweet, Adam Walker Cleveland, etc…

My Brothers and Sisters you don’t know me. But I am one of many. Many, who before the foundation of the world, by the foreknowledge of GOD, were elected, pre-defined i.e., predestined, called, justified, and glorified to be Sons and Daughter of GOD: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. Eph 1:3-6 KJV

This letter is sent to you in love to admonish, and reprove you to get your attention regarding the road you are taking yourselves and other down. You are moving away from GOD, not to HIM. You have no faith in the GOD of the bible, you are teaching false doctrine, and blaspheming GOD. This is an appeal, to you in the Name of Our Eternal FATHER, Our LORD and Savior JESUS CHRIST, and The HOLY SPIRIT. I have prayed that you would read this, and I am trusting in The LORD that this will happen. I love you as brothers and sisters in The LORD and purposed to do this because of this love. I have no idea if in fact that you are really and truly in the faith, for you call yourselves Christians, i.e., you are ‘called’ by HIS name, ‘Christ’, but do not totally confess all that is JESUS.

There are some tenets of doctrine, that some of you affirm, such as the fact that you mention the name of Our LORD, but some of you deny HIS virgin birth, the inerrancy of HIS Word, and HIS coming judgment. If you deny these basics of faith, then you deny the ‘faith’. If you deny the ‘faith’, then you are denying The LORD because HE is the faith, because our faith rests in HIM and HIS work on The Cross. You also deny The Word of GOD, and in doing so again, you deny The LORD for HE is The Living Word. Therein is my appeal, that you examine your hearts carefully in prayer before our GOD to determine if indeed you are in the faith, because your rhetoric speaks otherwise. My heart is for you to come to the knowledge of the truth of Our LORD and Savior JESUS CHRIST. I pray that you will recognize with the help of GOD that you are teaching heretical doctrine, that you would confess your sins, (as all have done who are in Christ and continue to do so when we miss the mark) repent of these sins and ask The LORD for forgiveness.

I have recently become aware of you within the last couple of months, well actually, it may have been longer than that, The LORD knows. I am aware, as are others that there is a rift in the body, as there has always been, and The LORD as history has shown us, always reserves a remnant for HIMSELF of faithful believers who love GOD and want to serve HIM. You call this an Emergence, we call it Apostasy.

I am writing to you for this reason: what if you are wrong? What if all you believe, and all that you teach is wrong, and you are being deceived, leading many astray? This wouldn’t be the first time that any of GOD’s children are deceived. There are those of us who believe, and if we take the bible, for the inerrant Word of GOD, and it is, that you are wrong in your beliefs, your beliefs are heretical, and you, apostates. I have been listening to both sides of the argument, ours and yours. Something is missing…. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Mat 9:13 KJV

It has been my prayer for you that The LORD would open your eyes and ears to accept the truth, that GOD, who has revealed HIMSELF in the bible, is who HE says HE is, and that the bible as it is, is HIS inerrant Word. Not to be added to, or taken from. Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2Co 4:1-6 KJV

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Rev 22:19 KJV

As I have mentioned, I have become aware of you, because GOD has made me aware of you. Up until that time, I had no idea that your movement even existed, and it has only been in recent weeks, that I began to understand the full brunt of your collective presence in the world. I say world, i.e., unbelievers as opposed to just ‘Christendom’ for the reason that the entire world of unbelievers, and false religions watch what we, i.e. Christians, the ‘called-out’ ones do, because of GOD, in whom we represent. For we are called by HIS name: And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. Act 11:26 KJV, and you, espouse yourselves as Evangelicals, Quakers, Episcopalians, etc…, so they lump us all together.

We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.) Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed: But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses, In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings; By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned, By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true; As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; As sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things. 2Co 6:1-10 KJV

Again, I ask you, to ask yourselves what if I am wrong, what if I’m wrong about everything I have come to believe, about GOD, and is it possible that I am being deceived. Because of the divergent and various beliefs in the world, all espousing in one form or another to ‘know’ GOD and the ‘way’ to HIM, and no doubt you are influenced by them, is the way that you have come to believe in GOD to way HE has made for us to know HIM? Our LORD, on HIS way to Gethsemane, spoke HIS priestly prayer, to HIS FATHER interceding for HIS chosen ones even then. He said: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Joh 17:3 KJV That to have eternal life was to know the only true GOD, and HIM who GOD sent. The only true GOD, the GOD of the bible, not one that we devise in our hearts, because the un-regenerated heart is corrupt, bad, and wicked. Our LORD said of it: The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. Jer 17:9-10 KJV

We are to know the only true GOD, and LORD, not one who we want HIM to be because we can’t deal with all that HE is, in HIS revelation to us. But who HE is, Almighty GOD. Before we can assent to belief, we have to have the truth. JESUS Our LORD also said: Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. Joh 17:17 KJV My fellow Christians (and again I pray that you are indeed HIS), the word sanctify, the Greek word hagiazō, what does that mean to you? It means to consecrate i.e. dedicated to a sacred purpose. According to Thayer’s, to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow; to separate from profane things and dedicate to GOD: consecrate things to GOD, dedicate people to GOD; to purify, to cleanse externally, to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin, to purify internally by renewing of the soul.
We Christians are made holy, separated, consecrated, dedicated to GOD, separated from the profane things, dedicated people to GOD, purified, free from guilt of sin, internally renewed in our souls. Further in verse 19 HE Our LORD said: And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Joh 17:19 KJVR

From all of this we must know that truth is very important with Our LORD. We are to be sanctified through the truth of GOD.
And truth, as used in the verse above, is the Greek word alētheia, al-ay’-thi-a ἀλήθεια, Strong’s Number G225. It means truth: – true, X truly, truth, verity. Thayer’s Greek Lexicon offers the following:

1) objectively: what is true in any matter under consideration: truly, in truth, according to truth, of a truth, in reality, in fact, certainly; what is true in things appertaining to God and the duties of man, moral and religious truth: in the greatest latitude,
the true notions of God which are open to human reason without his supernatural intervention; the truth as taught in the Christian religion, respecting God and the execution of his purposes through Christ, and respecting the duties of man, opposing alike to the superstitions of the Gentiles and the inventions of the Jews, and the corrupt opinions and precepts of false teachers even among Christians 2) subjectively: truth as a personal excellence: that candour of mind which is free from affection, pretence, simulation, falsehood, deceit Part of Speech: noun feminine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G227 Citing in TDNT: 1:232, 37

Further, Kitten’s Theological Dictionary of The New Testament offers the following: starting on pages 38-39

D. The Early Christian Use of alētheia.

1. alētheia is “that which has certainty and force”: a. as a valid norm (with a hint of what is genuine) in Eph 4:21; Gal 1:6 b. as judicial righteousness ( in the case of alethinos, cf. Rev 15:3) c. as uprightness in Jn 3:21; 2 Jn 4; 1 Cor 13:6; Eph 4:24.
2. alētheia is :that on which one can rely”: a. aw trustworthiness (Rom 3:3ff; 15:8) b. as sincerity or honesty (2 Cor &:14; 11:10; 2 Jn1; 3 Jn 1).
3. alētheia is “the state of affairs as disclosed”: (Rom 1:18, 25; 2:2; 1 Jn 3:18).
4. alētheia is “truth of statement” used with speaking (Luk 4:25) or teaching (Mark 12:14).
5. alētheia is “true teaching or faith” (2 Cor 13:8; 4:2; Gal 5:7; 1 Pet 1:22) thus the preaching of the gospel is the word of truth (2 Cor 6:7), becoming a Christian is coming to a knowledge of truth (1 Tim 3:15), and the alētheia is Christianity (2 Pet 1:12).
6. alētheia is “authenticity,” “divine reality,” “revelation,” especially in John, where this reality , as a possibility of human existence, is out of reach through the fall but is granted to faith through revelation by the word(cf. Jn. 8L44; 1 Jn 1:8; 2:4). Ambiguity thus arises when JESUS is said to speak the truth, for this means not only that what he says is true but that he brings revelation in words (Jn. 8:40, 45, 18:37). As revelation, alētheia is known (Jn 8:32 2 Jn. 1). This is not just a knowledge of a complex of statements but an encounter with Christ, who is the truth (Jn. 14:6) and who sanctifies in truth (Jn. 17:17, 19). GOD himself is disclosed herewith, the incarnate word being “full of grace and truth” (Jn. 1:14; cf. v. 17). Worship in truth is to be understood similarly, i.e., not just in pure knowledge but as determined by GOD’s own reality, in pneuma (Spirit), and by the revelation made in JESUS (Jn. 4:23-24). Again, the Paraclete as the Spirit of truth insures ongoing revelation in the community (Jn. 2:21) and a right way of life (1Jn. 1:6). Thus the church’s witness may be equated with that of truth 3 Jn. 12) and Christians are to be fellow workers in the truth (3 N. 8), loving one another in the truth and united in truth and love (2 Jn. 1ff).

alētheia, comes from the Greek word alethes:
1. alethes means a. “constant” or “valid,” as in 1 Pet 5:12; b. “judicially righteous” ( alethinos in the NT); c. “upright” (Phil . 4:5).
2. It also means a. “trustworthy” (Rom 3:4); b. “sincere” (Mk 12:14; 2 Cor 6:8; Jn 3:33)
3. Another sense is “real” (Acts 12:9; Jn 4:18; 1 Jn 2:8)
4. It indicates a “true statement” (e.g., Tit 1:13; Jn 5:31).
5. It also indicates “correct doctrine” but the NT does not have this sense.
6. It then means “genuine” (Jn 6:55; probably Jn 3:33; 7:18, i.e., he himself is not just truthful but authentic)

Does any of this mean anything to any of you? You just read, @ least I hope you did, what truth means as far as the Church is concerned. Does it not give you pause to examine what you have been saying? What you have been teaching? How can I get you to understand this…………. Earlier, JESUS told the disciples HE was leaving. You know this account. He told them that HE would not leave them as comfortless:

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Joh 14:16-17 KJVR

This is my concern, again, ask yourselves if you are wrong. What you teach contradicts the Word of GOD. In the verse above, JESUS told them HE would send the Comforter, The HOLY SPIRIT, and The SPIRIT of truth whom the world cannot receive because of unbelief. The SPIRIT which is from GOD, given freely to us from GOD that we may know the things of GOD: Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. 1Co 2:12-16 KJVR

Believers have The HOLY SPIRIT to teach us and to bring all things to remembrance that we have read, that the LORD has spoken to us in HIS word, you remember the Scripture: It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Joh 6:45 KJVR If you are not speaking the truth, if you are not hearing the truth, and you can’t see the truth, then you do not have The SPIRIT of TRUTH. HE, The HOLY SPIRIT does not teach error: “We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.” 1Jn 4:6 KJVR

The obvious question is what is this truth Our LORD was speaking about. HE was speaking about HIMSELF. As you know, HE is the Eternal Word: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Joh 1:1-5 KJV
To know GOD is to know The LORD. Remember what Our LORD said concerning a relationship with GOD, HE said, Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Joh 14:6 KJV and no one can come to JESUS except: No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Joh 6:44 KJV

My brothers and sisters, the things you teach, and things you say, move you away from knowing the one true GOD. If the bible is the word of GOD, and you accept it as such, why do you change GOD’s Word? Why do you move away from the knowledge of GOD? Have we not learned from reading about the Hebrews in scripture. They had the benefit of having the presence of GOD with them. Moses spoke to god face to face with GOD: “With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?” Num 12:8 ESV, and yet they still disobeyed and went after other GOD’s, why? Because their hearts were evil and wicked, and void of The HOLY SPIIRT, just like today. “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.” Rom 3:23-25 ESV We can’t ignore sin, or pick and choose what is sin and what isn’t. We need GOD, a Savior , we need JESUS Our LORD to lead. GOD’s word convicts us of our sins, we are washed by the water of the Word.

To deny HIS Word is to deny HIM. Ask yourselves, and I speak from personal experience, as you yourself can also attest to, as people who have been deceived, coming ‘out’ of the ‘world’, Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Col 1:12-14 KJV

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Col 2:13-14 KJV

are you not being deceived by the adversary? It’s possible. My brothers and sisters, we ourselves were once in the world, in darkness, under to power of satan, who is the prince, the little ‘g’ of this world. All humans were born in sin, destined for judgment. Some of you don’t believe this, I mean believe in GOD’s judgment, but it’s true. And the fact that you are deceived, and don’t believe in HIS judgment, will not change the fact that GOD will judge. Our Heavenly FATHER, according to HIS will, drew us to HIMSELF, if indeed you are one of The LORD’s, for adoption through HIS Son, and you were born again, you have undergone the new birth. Confessing our sin and asking GOD to forgive us of those sins that we committed against HIM, a Righteous and HOLY GOD, placing our trust in Our LORD and Savior as the only means by which we can be saved from the wrath of GOD which is coming,

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,(1Th 5:9 KJV)

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. Eph 2:1-7 KJV

I admit now, this is where I may lose some, if not all of you, and if not already. But, I will speak the truth, in love, ‘Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another” Eph 4:25 KJV, I speak these things to you for your sakes. I don’t want you going to hell so please hear me, GOD, is Holy, HE is Sovereign, and yes, GOD is Love, but all of HIS divine attributes do not give way to others, i.e. HIS Holiness does not take a back seat because HE is Love. All HIS attributes are perfect and Holy. You have to ask yourself, am I in The LORD? If you don’t believe in judgment, and if you don’t believe that JESUS is coming back then you don’t believe in HIM because that is what HE said HE was going to do, come back and judge. He also stated: I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Joh 8:24 KJV

It is evident that you profess a love for GOD, and that you profess a fervent love for Our LORD JESUS. But the question becomes are you worshipping the JESUS, who is revealed in Scripture. And therein is the problem, Scripture. This is where the deception began. You don’t believe that the bible is GOD’s word, and you have not accepted it as such. You have changed it to fit a theology, you can agree with, and believe. Somewhere along the line, you couldn’t reconcile a part of doctrine, or you sat under false teaching and became disillusioned. Whatever the reason, only GOD really knows but the theology you have adopted is wrong. Listen to me please, think about this for a moment. And I pray I can put this in a way you can understand and accept. Isn’t it wonderful to know that there is a GOD. If GOD has given you a revelation of HIMSELF then you know what I’m talking about. GOD, who spoke everything into existence, GOD who resides outside of time, GOD who holds everything together, in their respective places, GOD, who designed our universe specifically for life to exist here on this planet placing the larger one’s ever so to protect us from the heavenly bodies that could crash into earth and destroy us, not to mention the delicate balance of the elements with the positioning of our galaxy in relation to others, GOD who flooded this world when man’s mind was constantly on evil, and hold in darkness the fallen angels reserved for punishment, GOD who gives you life every single day, who protects you with heavenly hosts to minister to the heirs of salvation, GOD, in which, But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 1Co 2:9 KJV

The fact that there is GOD, a transcendent benevolent person, who created everything for HIS pleasure, and who since HE has been, and HE has been forever, had each and every one of us in mind to be with HIM for all eternity, which isn’t long spaces of time, but outside of time. Come on, you can grasp this, GOD, Our FATHER, Our LORD JESUS CHRIST, and The HOLY SPIRIT, The Divine Counsel of Almighty GOD deciding, that you Brian, Rob, Tony, Doug, Phyllis, Marcus, and anyone else whom GOD pleased, thought about you, and set you apart to be saved: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Joh 3:15-17 KJV Saved, a hope filled word from the New Testament. Saved from GOD’s wrath, in which you don’t believe in as well. I’m sure all of you know this but just in case you have forgotten, Saved:

Strong’s: G4982 σώζω sōzō sode’-zo From a primary word σῶς sōs̄ (contraction for the obsolete σάος saos, “safe”); to save, that is, deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): – heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.

Thayer’s: 1) to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction: one (from injury or peril): to save a suffering one (from perishing), i.e. one suffering from disease, to make well, heal, restore to health, to preserve one who is in danger of destruction, to save or rescue; to save in the technical biblical sense: negatively: to deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgment, to save from the evils which obstruct the reception of the Messianic deliverance Part of Speech: verb

What does this mean to all of you, can you not rejoice in this! You are being deceived, please see this! You are being blinded, therefore you cannot see the truth. You have made things so complicated, and it really isn’t. Pastors, I beg you to listen and remember what the Apostle wrote: But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 2Co 11:3-4 KJV

Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 1Jn 2:24 KJV

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:3-4 KJV

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1Co 6:9-11 KJV

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. But ye have unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 1Jn 2:18-20 KJV

Perhaps all of you have good intentions, or perhaps not. Maybe you are enemies of the Cross. I pray that you are not. Some of you have made blasphemous statements, some about the Cross of our LORD:

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1Co 1:18 KJV

GOD is sovereign. I just listened to Adam Walker Cleveland speak on needing to re-think Church where he used the syrophoenician woman’s encounter with JESUS to speak on this point. You see that’s the problem. Your movements view regarding Our LORD, its faulty. You don’t possess a high-view of GOD Almighty. During his talk, Adam states that Our LORD was wrong for wanting to ignore her. GOD is never wrong. GOD is perfect. He took scripture out of context, and added to it. He didn’t interpret the text correctly and inserted that JESUS said HE was wrong is nowhere in this text. He mishandled the Word of GOD. This is a trade mark of your movement. You are changing the Word of GOD, and you are leading people astray. Just think about who GOD is, think of the works of HIS hands, and think that @ this exact moment, now as you read this, HE will require you to be before HIM. HE has that power, you know this. And if this is true, and it is what will you do with that? Think about the ramifications of what I am saying and those your lead

Our Heavenly FATHER loves us so much, and is patient with us, HIS creatures, and yes, I say creatures because HE created us and that is what we are, but we are also HIS children, if and only if HE has elected you, predestined, called, justified, and glorified you, “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.” Rom 8:28-30 KJV But sooner than you think, Our LORD will come back, first for HIS church, then to judge the living and the dead. I read that you don’t believe in judgment, and that Our LORD is coming back to do just that. You are pastors, shepherds over GOD’s inheritance, entrusted to proclaim all the Oracles of GOD, you must teach about judgment and preach the word:

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
(2Ti 4:2 KJV)

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Ti 4:1 KJV

And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. Act 10:42 KJV

In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Rom 2:16 KJV

Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. 2Ti 4:8 KJV

Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
(1Pe 4:5-6 KJV)

I hope I have given you something to think about. Remember what Our LORD’s brother said: “Be not many of you teachers, my brethren, knowing that we shall receive heavier judgment. For in many things we all stumble. If any stumbleth not in word, the same is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body also. “Jas 3:1-2 ASV Again ask yourselves, what if I am wrong, what if I am being deceived, what if I am leading many people down the wrong path. If we don’t preach the gospel, as it is given, those that hear the adulterate message are not saved by it. What faith can they place in a wrong message. How does the wrong message convict them of sin, and their need for a Savior. That GOD is righteous and HOLY, and can in no way tolerate sin:

But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom 10:8-17 KJV

Ask yourselves, what message am I preaching, and is it the right message. I will tell you no. If you preach anything except the Cross, and the Oracles of GOD: “Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.” Jer 23:1-2 KJV

For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD. Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith the LORD. Jer 23:11-12 KJV

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you. For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it? Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked. The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings. Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off? Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD. I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD. Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD. Jer 23:16-32 KJV

What is the message of the Cross? The message of the Cross is salvation to us who were dead in our sins and trespasses, who were lost and heavy laden with guilt and shame because of the things we had done to ourselves, to others, and most of all to GOD. We have sinned against Our FATHER. If you don’t preach the message of the Cross, you dishonor Our LORD, and you take HIS name in vain. I cringe the fact of where I was before I was saved, and now rejoice the fact of where I am going. Yes, I’m going to heaven, as my LORD intended before the foundation of the world, or have you forgotten that GOD predestined people, HIS children for glory? I was GOD in my life and it was going nowhere, but straight to hell, a word that isn’t in the emergent vocabulary that needs to be, because many are going. And if you take the name of The LORD, you need to tell people they need a Savior.

Humble yourselves before the LORD and ask HIM, ask for HIM to show you where you have sinned, HE will. Confess your sins, repent and ask for forgiveness. Remember, the LORD in whom you deny, came for this reason. Truth is not relative, it is absolute. There is only 1 truth, and it is GOD’s. I am praying for you. Love to you in Christ
3Richard 10/21/2009 05:51 AM

Hi,   I just wanted to say that Mr.Brian McLaren is an obvious false teacher.  Many people who listen to this type of teaching, assuming they are on their way to heaven, will wake up in hell.  God will hold Mr. McLaren accountable for this.   From his John 14:6 writing:   ” I believe Jesus primarily came not to proclaim a way out of hell for some after death, but rather a way into a better life for all before death. His message was not about going to heaven after history, but about the kingdom of heaven coming to earth in history. ”   Yeah, so Jesus was beaten, spit at, crucified to proclaim a better way for all before death?????  The only reason people listen to Brian is because he tells them what they want to hear.  Unfortunately, the path to hell is wide and lined with people just like Brian, coaxing people right along the path, never waking them up to the fact that without repentance, no person will be saved.  Jesus gave his life for sin, not for the environment, not for hope and happiness in this life.

4Seumas 02/25/2010 10:41 PM

Sorry Richard, I don’t think that you understand the Christian Faith.

Jesus came to give us life and that more abundantly John 10:10.
This life is not a post-mortem life, one which we can only enjoy when our bodies have died, but the one which we live from the time when we have accepted Jesus as our Saviour and Lord. In his expectation of the coming of the Kingdom of God (which is perhaps the main theme of the parables of Jesus) the Kingdom (which we might call heaven) is in the here and now -. Do you remember the reply of Jesus when the disciples of John the Baptiser went to him. Matthew 11:4-6 (ANIV) Jesus replied, “Go back and report to John what you hear and see: [5] The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor. [6] Blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of me.” So yes, Jesus was beaten, spit at, and crucified because he had been proclaiming a better way before death, and in his suffering he bought our salvation, but that was only part of his action, for Jesus is our Prophet – he tells us how we live and enables us to do so, our Priest in his self sacrifice, and our King in how he reigns over us as we do his will in this life and in the next.
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