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Fitch/Driscoll Cage Match

Posted Jun 12, 10:33 PM | 3 comments | by Steve Knight | Link

Now I would pay to watch that!

All joking aside, this is serious. (wiping smile off my face, straightening up in my chair)

A few weeks ago, David Fitch wrote an excellent blog post challenging Mark Driscoll’s assertion that emerging/missional/neo-monastic churches “don’t have converts.”

That post sparked a lot of other great conversation in the blogosphere, as well as 40+ comments on Fitch’s original post.

The original post has now been re-published by Christianity Today over on the Out of Ur blog, and it is generating some renewed interest.

Some of the comments made their way into a follow-up post from David last week.

It is an excellent conversation, flowing out of David’s five key statements:

  1. “There is a stunning lack of sustainable communities within the Emergent/emerging movement.”
  2. “It is incredibly difficult to develop a sustainable missional church.”
  3. “Regarding emerging churches/Emergent Village, I don’t believe they intend to plant churches that would lead to converts.”
  4. “Missional communities that do persist probably have a higher conversion rate than the Driscollesque mega churches.”
  5. ”’Missionary conversions’ take longer than megachurch conversions.”

Fitch concludes, “If we want to reach the lost souls of post-Christendom, the church in North America must go missional, incarnational, organic. We must become intertwined with those we seek to reach. But this will take time and appear to be highly inefficient in the terms we have become used to in the church growth/megachurch era. This is why I believe that Mark Driscoll has missed the point.”

Go and read all of David’s posts and maybe surf on over to some of the other posts that it spawned, as well. And share your thoughts here if you have any energy left after visiting David’s blog, Out of Ur, etc.

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1joyce collins-baker Jun 26, 07:46 PM

The conclusion Fitch makes is so well put. I think so many of us are sick of highly efficient church growth…blah, blah, blah…it is an approach to “lost souls” that doesn’t require any dirt or sweat. Look at Jesus. Look at Jesus touching, eating, drinking, walking, reclining, crying, sleeping, getting dirty, walking with the crowd of “lost souls.” Conversion isn’t something that can be measured when it is happening to people. It just happens—and when it does, I personally think that our Creator wants it to confound the “wise.”

2Theresa Seeber Jun 27, 03:09 AM

I am not very familiar with how it works, but I wonder if missional communities could learn from and adapt aspects of the Neighborhood Impact Ministry, a sub-ministry within World Impact. I know that it starts with someone moving into or already living in a neighborhood who opens their home for Bible Study, parties, etc. And that they do it in the context of real relationship, not just weekly meetings.

Also, in regards to Driscoll’s statement about missional churches not leading to converts, I am finding that people in my life who have sought God hard for decades and not felt they were finding Him in the presentation the church tends to give of Him, are now getting excited, and finding their place in God’s dreams for His creation. It is so fun to be a part of this! I am honored to be used by God to help people get to know and love Jesus without having to become something they are not. It sucks to have to be legalistic when you can just be real. I am not involved in a missional community, as the idea is still something I am trying to figure out. Although I think Shane Claiborne’s “The Irrisistible Revolution” is probably portraying what is meant by the term. :-)

3Josh Sliffe Jul 20, 12:45 AM

I just wanted to say that I’m a big Driscoll fan when it comes to his church’s ministries and theology, and i wanted to say i was very pleased to see no Driscoll bashing on here. I think that says quite a bit about your heart in showing different sides of things. Thanks in Christ.

Josh.

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